proper sealants for an agave didj?

topic posted Fri, March 14, 2008 - 3:21 PM by  Oliver
I've tried a couple of different things, the Safeco Polyuraseal, which was terrible and gives off horrible fumes almost two months later, and the Livos brand hardener and sealer, which were good but not great. The Livos wood hardener made a great stain, but their wood sealer never really formed a seal, so I can still feel the didj losing air out the pores while I play, and it also does reek rather strongly of linseed oil to this day. All I want is something that will do what it says it does, seal, and then stop off-gassing eventually. Help me out, fam!

Thanks!

loveoliver
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Oliver
Kansas City
  • Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

    Fri, March 14, 2008 - 4:18 PM
    If you're gonna use oils and wanna fill holes you hafta wetsand with the oil to raise up a paste that'll fill the holes. Oils will work better for solid woods wearas agave is just too punky to du well with oils. An epoxy that you can obtain that will give decent results is Envirotex, or you can look into system 3 epoxies, or west system (which I think is the same as system 3). The Envirotex is available at smaller hardware stores such as true value or ace. For epoxy I've been using stuff from uscomposites.com for a few years but recently they changed their formulation and I'm not so happy with their new product that they sell under the old name of Kleer Kote so I'm still using up my supply of Kleer Kote while I'm also experimenting with pure oils (tung, linseed, and citrus which I'm sourcing from a shop called Twisp Environmental). I love oils for a hardwood finish but I don't think I can be as creative with fancy fills as with the epoxy because oils don't add any strength or structural support that gives epoxied sticks that nice security blanket. As I said, I'm experimenting with oils trying to figure out what mixes and drying conditions will work best for my application so for now I've got expert advice on epoxy and novice advice on oils. Avoid commercial oils at all costs, the stuff off the shelves at hardware stores that'll be chock full of poisonous driers and additives. Proper epoxies properly cured are inert and safe. You've got to choose the right stuff and mix and cure it properly to get the right results. If you've got more Q's I'm full of A's so hit me up and I'll tell you everything I know, a bit at a time.
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    Sun, March 16, 2008 - 5:19 AM
    aloha, I have been using organic resins, oils, and waxes in a proprietary compound for over 11 years with only positive results on agave'. To fill cracks and holes, use agave' dust from orbital sander mixed with non-toxic Tite bond2 woodglue to a creamy peanut butter consistancy. then work into holes/cracks and allow to dry 1 or 2 days and orbital sand level w agave' surface. Use 220 grit sanding disks unless framiliar w/ power sanding agave' then use 100 grit followed by 220 grit. If you want to take it to another level, use 400, 600, 800, 1500, 2000, 3000 grit followed by 100% silk for a true mirror finish. This method takes way longer than encapsulating your didjs. in toxic chemicals,so if time and mass production is an issue, stick to toxics. I must add that the idea of epoxy being safe after it dries is a severe misconception. Even Envirotex will emit toxic chemicals as it goes through it's hazardous decompsition which is indefinite. This info. has nothing to do with personal opinion, but hard facts found in the MSDS for these chemicals. As for advice, research will yield a more favorable outcome than going on opinion. Hope this helps, JOL
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      Sun, March 16, 2008 - 5:34 AM
      Thought to add- I apply my sealer with bare hands and use the excess for dry skin and scrapes. It is waterproof, bugproof, and anti bacterial.
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        Mon, March 17, 2008 - 11:06 AM
        JOL, I only seem to see you speak up whenever the word epoxy is mentioned and it is okay to have your 'hot issues' but to be fair you should recognize that your Titebond II contains formaldehyde, aluminum chloride, n-methylolacrylamide, and polyvinyl acetate emulsion. These chemical names sound scary but they are in low enough concentrations for Titebond II to be considered safe for use in gluing joints on cutting boards. Tap water in every major city contains long lists of chemical polutants which could scare anybody from ever bathing with it again if their information comes from zealots. Spilled milk near any waterway is actually a HazMat response situation (I'm a NFPA certified Fire Service Instructor) but you don't see people crying over spilled milk that often. Envirotex is Food and Drug Administration approved and the uscomposites tabletop epoxy that I often use was inspected and approved by Australias equivilent of the FDA last year when I sent a shipment of didges to Australia. Even though I'm a die-hard organics consumer I stand by my assertion that breathing through a properly coated epoxied didge is far less hazardous than drinking any fluid that had been stored in any plastic container of any kind, or eating any food that had been stored or transfered in plastic containers or bags. This doesn't mean that you won't find any plastic containers in my cupboards becuause honestly it's damn hard being a fanatic in this modern world, but you'll never find a soda in my fridge, the last time I purchased anything at a McDonalds was in your great state in 1982, and my lifestyle commitment to health, community, and the environment has a long and documentable track record. That being said I recognize that the most direct danger to my health as a didgecrafter is the often toxic sawdusts produced through sanding natural raw wood and I take every step to protect myself through religious use of respiratory protection when working on or around this natural toxic exposure. The word 'toxic' refers to a poisonous substance which can ingested, injected, inhaled, or absorbed (I'm also an EMT) wearas 'inert' refers to something with an inactive ability to transfer poisons. Envirotex may be toxic in it's liquid state but is classified as inert in it's solid state, so let the facts be facts and quit trying to scare people with your fanaticism. I do recognize and applaud your concern for the safety and health of others and hope that you have a lot of positive input in this didge scene into the future.
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          Mon, March 17, 2008 - 12:21 PM
          Aloha,

          Chad, you are awesome.

          Mind you, this is NOT an opinion. I have been field testing the proprietary processes that led me to this awareness for going on 60,000 years. With no ego, I can honestly say that I have had nothing but positive results when experiencing your awesomeness.

          Granted too much awesomeosity can be toxic. But if you sand it with silk and non-toxic love, all is well.

          Thanks for being you!
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            Tue, March 18, 2008 - 11:52 AM
            I create handmade agave didgeridoos....after trying the all natursl approach and having oils go rancid , didges split, and mold grow i went to chemies....at this point the least of all the evils that i have found is a simple water based urethane.....it is called Varethane...very spendy but the least VOC's of all on the market that i have seen! I was told by many to use the envirotex product.......so i got it took it out into the woods where i work and began to get it ready....This shit eats flesh.....is higher chemi than anything and although is a resin...is not at all natural...It also off gases for years.......highly funky and toxic...dont let the name fool you! It was so bad that i wrote to the company and have told many other didge makers who were using it about the FINE print in the instructions.
            Check out my profile to see my didges!
            love...namaste
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              Tue, March 18, 2008 - 11:56 AM
              ALL of that info is for the outside of the didge for the inside i use a glue that also works as a a hardner ..the name escapes me ask if you need it and i'll look it up.......It is great and is dilluted in water so very economical and less toxic than tightbond or elmers or any glues ive found it is white..too!
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                Tue, March 18, 2008 - 1:31 PM
                Luminess, I would assume that you either didn't use the proper Envirotex or that you didn't mix or cure it properly. I've made and sold over 340 hardwood didges using epoxy and I have none of the same complaints that you encountered. As far as I know every other experianced didge crafter who markets their wares in the U.S. also uses these same epoxies on their sticks with proper results. A short list of those crafters would include myself, Geoff Frost, Ben Hicks, Jack Reeder, Tyler Spencer, Moglee, Gusty Christianson, Jason Strazzabosco, Travis Zumwalt, Karl Kalbagh, Jeff Lore, Alan Shockley, Bill Hanes, and others who craft but don't sell would include Robert Kelly, John (I forget last name, from Marysville Wa.).... When Djalu was in the U.S. he borrowed envirotex from me for coating and sealing the exteriors of his sticks before scratch sanding them for application of paints, as did Frank Thill. I don't mind being included in that bunch of names as they are all excellent crafters with top reputations. As I mentioned in a post above, I am currently experimenting with pure organic oils which is not because I have any issues with properly cured epoxies but as a full time crafter my own exposure to epoxies in the mixing and curing stages may develop accumulative affects for myself and I also have to take into account the workers at the factories that create these epoxies which my purchasing dollars support. I realize that the factories are highly regulated by OSHA but OSHA and other regulatory agencies set the minimal standards and we in this industry get to create and set our own higher standards. Another reason I'm wanting to shift toward use of pure organic oils is that I might become capable of extracting these oils myself from locally harvested sources and then when I go one step further in harvesting my own electricity from the numerous water sources on my property providing non-destructive and non-polluting hydroelectric power potentials I will be exhibiting the highest attainable model of proper business ethics and social responsibility. I haven't had completely enthusiastic response from the announcement of my intended shift toward oils. Barry at L.A. Outback said to me that he would prefer to carry didges that are epoxy coated instead of oiled because of the durability of epoxied sticks and the ease of maintaining them. Oiled didges need periodic maintainance because oils do continuously off gas, and if they're not oiled often enough they will develop cracks and splits, and planned obsolescence isn't a business model componant any crafters or sellers in the didge market that I know of.
                Just last week I had some (real true organic free range) hippies come stay with me after they had stayed with Steve in Berkley, whom has the largest collection of high quality didjeridu in the United States. They were able to paw through his collection and had decided that I was their favorite crafter so Steve told them to give me a ring and see if I'd be open to have them come learn from me how to craft didges using my methods. I gave them the option of going with the pure organic oils or going with epoxy and they chose to go with the epoxy because of it's many advantages which goes to illustrate that just because your own usage gave you negative results doesn't mean that other people aren't capable of finding proper results. I would add that the verathane you are claiming to be a good option is actually a poor choice in my opinion because of it's tendancy to flake and deteriorate around the mouthpiece and the fact that it's not Food and Drug Administration approved as is Envirotex.
                I get a good feeling from seeing the home in your photos on your profile and it appears that you're off to a good start in your own didjcrafting and I welcome your appearance on the didge scene and look foreward to hopefully meeting you this August at either In-Didj-In-Us or JT Didgeridoo festival (as I have conflicting dates that will prevent me from attending the first (hopefully annual) Tree Man gathering in July.
                Aum shanti, chad butler
                • Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

                  Tue, March 18, 2008 - 4:04 PM
                  Luminess,

                  I would like to add that the sealants you are using will likely not hold up for very long. Watered down glue inside a soft cane like Agave is asking for trouble. Your instruments appear to be very delicate and from the looks of them, they are probably quite muffled due to the softness of the interior. Over time I would expect saliva to break down the glue, then start to soften the pulpy interior. You will then experience mold growth, delamination and eventual soft spots and breakage.

                  You have one of your sticks priced at 450 bucks! Yowzaa!

                  You say you have only made a few. Seems pretty steep to me. Very few Agaves sell for that, even by the most sought after crafters.

                  Another concern is that you can not even circular breathe. Circular breathing is not an end to be achieved. it is one of the most basic and entry level techniques, required to even begin learning to play the instrument. How can you judge the sound quality of an instrument you can not play? How can you strive to make it play 'well', if you do not even know how to play it? Heck, how can you claim to heal with a tool you do not know how to use? Particularly when said tool is not intended for such a use by it's original creators?

                  This seems like someone starting to make guitars cause they know how to pluck the strings and make a noise. And worse yet, using questionable processes and materials to make the guitar, which they do not yet know how to play. Or like someone deciding they are a doctor cause they know how to say the word.

                  It seems like you have found a new hobby and are applying your creative and capatalistic desires to it. Good for ya! Most of us started like that. Most crafters I know also took the time to learn how to play the instrument before diving into production/sale. They also took the time to learn from the people who came before them. Most instrument makers, artisans, welders, carpenters and the like that I know, studied for years before attempting to profit from their new hobbies.

                  I am always fascinated by people who think that knowing how to make an instrument make noise is the same thing as knowing how to play it. Are we all pianists since we can press the keys on a piano?

                  "Shamanic healing"

                  I am not sure if I should laugh or cry.

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                    Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

                    Tue, March 18, 2008 - 4:31 PM
                    I am by no means a professional didj crafter like many of you in this tribe, but I wanted to chime in with the fact that I have made an agave didj and sealed with envirotex. (Chad is actually the one who helped walk me through the process - thanks Chad)

                    As far as I can tell, it is sealed solid and has absolutely no odor and no obvious off-gassing. The didj is solid and has a clear resonance which will definitely last for years and years.

                    Just my half a cent.
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                    Fri, March 21, 2008 - 11:34 AM
                    Whats with this jeff guy? Does he only post to be shitty towards other people while hiding behind his computer screen? I have started to wonder with this guy if he has anything constructive to offer anybody or if we have seen the extent of his intelligent input here.

                    To Luminess, I have been creating/ selling/ trading non-toxic agave' didjeridoos for over 13 years and I just finished #637 of the didj. grand total to date.. I have had numerous Jeff-types slander my work over the years and I'm gr8ful for their input because it has helped me get to where I AM now. Chad and jeff are right about your sealer not holding up. If you are set on chemical encapsulation, stick with envirotex and follow personal protective equippment (PPE) reccomendations on product. I aint the supreme grand didjeridoo masta, so I will avoid telling you what to do with your didjin., but I will tell you this: Many blessings and innovations on your didj. craft path!
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          Fri, March 21, 2008 - 10:52 AM
          Facts are facts. envirotex does gas off (hazardous decomposition) indefinitely. I did not conjure this FACT to scare people, I share this FACT to help educate people especially when they are being misled by false claims that epoxy is ever "safe". I will always speak up when people are being misled (intentionally or not) about products which are a potential threat and toxic hazard to thier health. It is interersting to me that the folks who consume the most epoxy for encapsulating didjs, swear up and down how "safe" the stuff is with no PROOF to back it up. environmental? try walking the talk on that one.
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            Fri, March 21, 2008 - 11:56 AM
            With no intention of defamation of any body, lets take a factual look at just how "friendly in a relative sense" envirotex is.
            -following info from SARA TITLE III SECTION 311/ MSDS
            Enviro-lite:
            Hazardous ingredients:
            1.-NONYL PHENOL/ corrosive
            Severe eye irratant, irreversible damage,blindness./ chem. burns skin, respiratory damage
            TESTED ON ANIMALS in a LD50 test (lethal dose in which 50% of test animals are expected to die on rabbits and rats . MARINE POLLUTANT

            2.-N-AMINOETHYLPIPERAZINE/ corrosive
            Similar health effect as 1.
            TESTED ON ANIMALS/ LD50 skin/ rabbit/ corrosive, eyes/rabbit/ extremely irratating, skin sensitisation/ negative/ guinea pig.
            According to CA prop. 65, this chemical is known to CAUSE CANCER AND/OR REPRODUCTIVE TOXICITY

            3.-POLYOXYALKYLENEAMINES
            Hazardous decomposition (bio-degrading) by-products: Carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, phenol ammonia, oxides of nitrogen & various amine containing compounds.
            Signs and symptoms of overexposure:
            Inhalation - irritaion, cough, nasal discharge, possible blurred/hazy vision .
            Skin - irritation with pain, redness, swelling with chemical burns.
            Eyes - irritation with pain, redness, eye watering with chemical burns. Sever eye/cornea damage. May cause blindness.

            I hope this information is educational and informative for everybody. The truth shall set us free.
            • Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

              Fri, March 21, 2008 - 12:17 PM
              Jeff Lohr. Portland, Oregon.

              www.hallowedsounds.com

              Glad to meet ya. I am not hiding and if I was in person, would be talking just like I am and have been.

              As to constructive? You only appear to post when needing to diss Epoxy or hype your sticks. Get a freakin website, this is not Ebay! You say the same thing over and over and over again. When people calmly respond to your most outlandish claims, you never reply. You just sulk away then show up again at the next chance to spew your misconceptions.

              This gals didj's obviously are in need of constructive critique. Your process is certainly better than hers. Perhaps you should try being constructive and offer her some tips instead of reposting selected parts of an MSDS for the tenth time.

              I think all the toxic dust from the strip mined stone you are using, may have gone to your head. It could also be all the toxic substances listed on the MSDS of Titebond. You should look into it man!

              I can loan you my tin foil hat if ya want?
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                Fri, March 21, 2008 - 11:47 PM
                If home boy talks to people in person the way he types at us, I look foreward to to an excruciatingly "intellectual" conversation writhing with respect. As I have mentioned, My intention is to make facts available about potentially hazardous products that are promoted through mis-information and opinion. I do wonder how I have "dissed" epoxy by posting facts for the sake of being a better informed didj. community. I also wonder how or if I have hyped my "sticks" at all here. Care to back the claims jeff? I AM no threat to your didjeridoo empire ok?
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                  Sat, March 22, 2008 - 11:11 PM
                  Sorry JOL, my mom just called. Can't play right now!
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                    Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

                    Sun, March 23, 2008 - 6:02 PM
                    Could ya'll stop fussing and fighting and just answer my dang question? Thanks.
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                      Sun, March 23, 2008 - 10:51 PM
                      That is so funny because by the end of reading the thread I had completely forgotten what the original post was. It was interesting reading and I did enjoy it some of you have some long history on this subject as I see very similar posts in the past. Well I must say I do not have the answer to your question but I think that some of them are for envirotex that seems to work as advertised if used right and will seal but might off gas for its entire life and be a “silent killer”. Your only other options are either natural oils which since you are doing an agave is probably not an option as you are going to need something that will stiffen it up and oils just will not cut it. Or something fairly exotic that probably will take years to perfect. I would go with the envirotex and get Chad to walk you thru it just to be sure. In all the times I have seen him post and what I have heard of him he seems like a good guy and I really think it is your only option if you want a stick you can play this year and be proud of.


                      My two cents
                      Namate
                      • Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

                        Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:00 PM
                        So as to not offend the sensitive types, I did not bother posting my finishing suggestions here. If you would like a good overview of finishing in general check out my post here - didgeridootribe.net/clan/index.php

                        You may have to join the forum to see the thread. It is a great and happy bunch of folks there and it is easy to join.

                        Again, this is just an overview of some of my finishing schedules. On every woodworking forum on the planet similar processes are discussed. It is sad that we can not talk about near universally used techniques here, but it seems to be the case.

                        If you have any questions feel free to e-mail me. Everything I know has been learned from others, so no sense keeping any secrets!
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    Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:22 PM
    I do have 1 suggestion if you go with epoxy is to buy a small scale and mix the epoxy by weight instead of volume. I find mixing by weight to be much more accurate and convienent.

    When I tried to mix by volume, I used little graduated mixing containers that have volume markings. But you are somewhat limited because it's hard to mix an arbitrary amount of epoxy - you are limited to combinations that fall on the markings of the container. You can try to interpolate between the markings of course, but it's less accurate.

    Another advantage of mixing by weight is that you can use any disposable container you have handy, you aren't limited to using containers with volume markings.

    One thing to note is that the "stated" ratio is almost always by volume. You'll have to do some digging to find the proper mixing ratio by weight. The 2 components of the epoxy normally have a different density, so the by weight and by volume ratios aren't the same. I use the thick and thin epoxy formulations from USComposites.com. If you call them up, they will give you the proper ratio by weight. If you go with envirotex.. you might try calling the manufacturer. If that fails, you can always just weight both full containers, and then guestimate and subtract the weight of an empty container.

    As far as scales go, you probably want one that is accurate to at least .1g, and has at least a 400g-500g capacity.

    Here is the scale that I bought. It has worked great so far, although it did have a glitch once and I had to recalibrate it, so I do suggest getting a 500g calibration weight with it.

    www.oldwillknottscales.com/index.asp

    That one is accurate to .01g and has a capacity of 500g. You can probably find a less accurate one cheaper.
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      Mon, March 24, 2008 - 3:27 PM
      After a quick search, here's a dirt cheap scale that should work (.1g accuracy and 500g capacity).

      www.oldwillknottscales.com/index.asp
      • Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

        Mon, March 24, 2008 - 8:24 PM
        Oliver-

        I just noticed you are in K.C. I was born there and grew up in Pittsburg. There is a didj crafter in Overland Park who sells on Ebay from time to time. He seems like a pleasant fella, do you know him? I have met some fellow didjers from Lawrence, but never any from KC. Many about? I have heard some talk on the other forums about a Midwest didj gathering. If it winds up happening, I will probably make the trip.

        Any chance you will be going to Indidjinus, Jammin Tree, or the Tree Man gatherings? Always good to meet a fellow Kansan who is not... well you know! Though I guess you could be from Missouri?
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          Tue, March 25, 2008 - 11:36 AM
          JOL, as I mentioned I'm experimenting with oils myself, as is Tyler Spencer, and we don't seem to finding the hardness that your mix is giving you. I'm hoping that you'll share your recipie with us here on the list so that we can all be providing the highest quality safe finishes on our didges...
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            Thu, March 27, 2008 - 1:03 PM
            Hear, hear! Share the knowledge! Save us all from toxic death and trust that the good karma will be returned to you 10-fold!

            I do want to say that JOL's didj's appear to stand out as being of the highest quality craftsmanship and I have long been curious how he perfected his unique process, what the measurements are for the various ingredients in the sap-sealant he uses, etc.

            JOL, sorry to put you on the spot, but I am just very dissatisfied with the commercially available expoxy's and resins. Will you share this one little bit of power with us, so that we can all be that much healthier and in harmony with the Earth?

            Thankyouthankyouthankyou. Pleeeeeeeeese? Thank you.
          • Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

            Mon, April 7, 2008 - 3:19 AM
            The exterior sealant I use is made up of olive oil, coconut oil, vit. E oil, bee's wax, chapparal resin, pinion pine resin, and essential oils of tea tree, eucalyptus, sweet orange. This sealer permiates the agave' deeper with each coat applied by bare hands (excess can be rubbed on skin). The interior is sealed with 3 coats Titebond2 wooglue followed by 2-3 coats of a mix of woodglue and various materials. These materials are powdered pipestone, lapiz, howlite, agave', and kiawe (African mesquite) carbon. The proportions and consistancy depend on the application and take some experimenting to perfect. These composites don't chip or fracture like other popular sealers/coatings because they retain a slight flexibility while remaining rock hard. The mouthpiece and bell are reenforced with 32 layers of cotton baker's cloth soaked in wood glue. After the cloth is dry there is no flex. I got the idea from fixing my old surfboard. Aloha, JOL
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              Mon, April 7, 2008 - 10:32 AM
              ya, this is a nice post JOL, you've obviously done some good research and development. I think the didge community in whole would have a lot to gain from getting to know you better in person and seeing/hearing your inovative techniques and creations. I would really like to encourage you to come to In-Didj-In-Us this year as a workshop provider and as a vendor. Let me know if there's anything I can do to assist you in making this happen.
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              Thu, April 10, 2008 - 10:12 AM
              Heya JOL,

              I have a couple questions..

              First, I am curious as to what keeps the Olive oil you are using from going rancid? I am not saying it does, I just know that if used by itself, it goes rancid. Is there a certain ingredient in your mix that you find prevents this? I would love to know which one!

              Second question, on all woods, finishes do not penetrate further than the exterior pores. This has been observed by microscope and the reason is capillary action. Liquids are absorbed from the roots and carried by a system of 'veins' up the tree. If you soak face grain in a sealant for months, it will not permeate. However, if you stand end grain in a finish, the wood will actually pull the finish into itself. Left long enough it will saturate the entire piece from the inside out.

              I am curious how your finish is able to penetrate when others do not. Also I know most people use a finish for protection..

              You say- "This sealer permiates the agave' deeper with each coat applied by bare hands "

              I ask, how? How can your finish 'permiate' (sic) through a cured finish? Seems impossible to me, so obviously I would love to know the physics and chemistry at work there. How can your finish provide protection, if Olive oil soaks right through it?

              Another question I have is this.

              You said- "The mouthpiece and bell are reenforced with 32 layers of cotton baker's cloth soaked in wood glue."

              32 layers, huh? That must take a long time. So the question is, how is there a hole through the mouthpiece with all those layers there? Wouldn't 32 layers soaked in glue be kind of thick? Even on the bell end, it seems like it would leave a much thicker wall than your photos show. It isn't that I don't believe you, I am just curious.

              Thanks!
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          Wed, April 2, 2008 - 8:06 PM
          If there is a midwest didj party, I will be there. I don't know of anyone else in the area who plays, but I have attempted to sell some didjes and teach some people how to play here. It's getting better here, things are astir, tribal vibes just ripe to bust out the matrix. I might make it to some gatherings this year, and I'll keep an eye out for ya if do.

          Bless.
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            Wed, April 2, 2008 - 8:08 PM
            That's in answer to Jeff, by the way.

            Still looking for commercially available JOL didj oil though...
            • Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

              Mon, April 7, 2008 - 8:47 AM

              i know this one guy made a handful of agave didjs...he sealed the inside with striaght bees wax. He used a lot of wax... i imagine that all the agave was cover in altleast a 1/4 inch of wax. the didjs played well and pretty sure they've held up with time.

              peace
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                Fri, April 25, 2008 - 2:37 AM
                I came up with a new compound that is harder and more flexible than ANY other product I've seen on a didj. including epoxy aaaand its still non-toxic. This compound consists of Kiawe (Maui grown African mesquite) carbon and titebond2 non-toxic woodglue. I tested this compound for 6 months outside in the North shore jungle with consistent tropical rainfall and blazing sunshine before it went into a didj. I beat on a cured piece with a hammer and it made it shiny on the bumpy part of the texture. I then tested it out on a didj. with great results. After dropping it repeatedly on the mouthpiece and bell from my waist level to the floor it became shinier on the points of impact and was easily buffed out with my t-shirt. As for the harmonics, with no ego or "hype" it's the best I've ever heard from a non-traditional didj. For the exact how to you'll have to come watch the process in person. For any other how to stuff, send me a message instead of posting to me here. Aloha
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                  Fri, April 25, 2008 - 11:08 AM
                  I doubt I could justify a trip to Hawaii just to see your process. Although Hawaii does sound fun :). Any chance you would be willing to make up a batch and sell some? I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one that would be interested in trying it.
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                    Re: proper sealants for an agave didj?

                    Fri, April 25, 2008 - 12:40 PM
                    Not going to make the trip to the festivals? Sounds like you have a free trip if you want it. Seems a shame to keep the best non-traditional instruments away from everyone else.