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So I know that many people here are pagans, I just wanted to ask a question. I myself am a pagan to be precise a BTW but his question is for everyone though, do you consider your didge a sacred instrument? Kind of like a wand,athame,chalice, or pentacle and if so what element do you think it most represents? If it is to personal don't worry I won't be offended by no reponses.
Namaste
Namaste
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Re: Sacred Instrument
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 8:26 PMI've done alot of pagan "stuff" with my didge. And the pic you see is from pagan pride day in Dover Delaware. I feel that the pagan scene are the "true" hippies of today. Yes, I follow celtic paganism. I feel that some of the tree like handcrafted didgeridoos I've seen could really fill some major symbolic meaning.
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Re: Sacred Instrument
Wed, April 30, 2008 - 10:50 PMIsn't the didge all about air? -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 6:51 PMYes and no on way level yes you have to put wind into it to get a sound. But when talking about ritual tools sometimes it is what it does that signifies what element you are channeling. So for example the wand since it is phallic it is used by ceremonial people as a representation of the principle of fire. Others use it as air for the fact that they do not believe a object can channel the energy of an element that could reduce it to ash. You could kind of say the same thing about the didge hard to get more phallic than a didge and I did go to a workshop with Ash Dargin and he said that playing was like sending your hopes and dreams into the earth to be impregnated. Once aspect is does it evoke more of a generative aspect or more of a formative aspect.
Namste
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Wed, April 30, 2008 - 11:00 PMMy bamboo didge is sacred to me, but I would not say it is so to anyone else. It just vibrates at the perfect tone for me so when I play it I am instantly relaxed and feel more intune. I've played better didges but this little $50 didge is the one I turn to when stressed out. In keeping I have traveled many places with it and decorated it with leather and trinkets from travels. -
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 4:26 AM"My bamboo didge is sacred to me, but I would not say it is so to anyone else."
Kind of ironic then that you just placed that statement on the internet for the entire world to see. ;)
Is the didgeridoo sacred to me, as in, an object used for a religious purpose?
Yes.
I try to practice religiously.
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Thu, May 1, 2008 - 6:53 PMGreat post an object real value is in your heart not your pocket book. Sacredness is really a very personal thing thank you for sharing.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 1:00 PMI'd have to say that there were two didges that I had very sacred relationships with. They were my first and second, the first being borrowed which I learned on, and the second which was my own first having cOMe to me in a very magical way. This second didge became an extension of my self and I would have to say it has influenced the person I have become. The energy was masculine. Playing it rooted me deep in the Earth, capable of connecting to Universal powers through Air. Since that time I've had about 400 didjeridu and in terms of magic or sacred, I'd have to say that my connection is much more about the crafting and magic of influencing an old log to develop it's greatest potential as seen through my eyes and experiances. Whether playing a didge is sacred has everything to do with setting and intention. Sometimes playing is very sacred, other times it's just recreation, and for me alot of it is about analyzation. I guess this is where I make the claim that I'm 'high on life' and that sacred really depends on my own state of mind rather than any physical tools or triggers. This does not deny that there are some physical triggers that will automaticly summon my utmost respect, but didjeridu isn't one of them. -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 7:33 PMHey Chad, I never heard you play. Do you have any recordings? -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 1:45 PMI mostly just play with my band, other than analyizing sticks or just messing around. So there are recordings of my band but I don't have any solo recordings to speak of, and although my band has recorded every weekly practice for 14 years we've never put together a release. If you want Todd, I can try to get one of my band members to piece together a decent collection of some songs onto a single cd. We did a cover of Godzilla a couple weeks ago that was a blast! My playing is nothing to be impressed with, I've more or less developed myself as a back up player. At one point I may have been okay, but so many guys have gotten so good so fast that now I basicly suck by comparrison. Whatever. I still love it. My only real desire for improving my skills is so that my analytical abilities can keep up with my crafting potential. -
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Tue, May 6, 2008 - 6:56 PMBlue oyster cult Godzilla? That's funny as hell! Make me a CD for August! -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:32 AMThere are some people staying here at my place, and one of the girls asked about my didj collection. She wondered how special the pipes were since they looked so special, and the way I have them on display in the room. I said, "there's a special connection between player and instrument that is more than just the ability to play it well." "It's more than the sum total of just me and it." I said that was the best I could explain it without getting metaphysical and silly.
I have that same connection with my other instruments as well.. I've never been satisfied with anything less than an instrument with which I feel a special connection.
I'm not sure if that's what other people mean by sacred,, but it's what I mean. -
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Mon, May 19, 2008 - 10:59 PM"I have that same connection with my other instruments as well.. I've never been satisfied with anything less than an instrument with which I feel a special connection. "
Dave - that's exactly what I am talking about when I use the term Sacred. However I am not sure that is what the op was talkin bout. The difference Is I would have got all metaphysical and silly just because I like to see them squirm :)
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Re: Sacred Instrument
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 8:40 PMI would have replied to this sooner, but I wanted to ponder the question for a bit.
Here’s what I’ve got so far.
Sacred, to me, is all about intent.
According to dictionary.com, Almost anything can be sacred if used in a way that is
1. devoted or dedicated to a deity or to some religious purpose; consecrated.
2. entitled to veneration or religious respect by association with divinity or divine things; holy.
The creation of music is sacred to me. The original meaning of the word is “The Art of the Muse”. ..and of course, music belongs in a Museum – (A Place Sacred to the Muse) but that’s a different discussion.
Sometimes, I create my music in ways that seem quite secular. I play for parties, for making money, or just for fun. According to the above definitions, a thing cannot be both sacred (devoted, holy, put aside) and secular (worldly or temporal- not related to the Divine).
But I try to live my life in an integrated way – in which sacredness flows through everything that I do – So that making *muse*ic, is always a holy act – (along with cooking, making a living, and taking a crap. Which begs the question “If everything is sacred, then is nothing sacred?” … but I digress).
However; I don’t think that this rambling answer is actually what you intended to discuss. Which brings me to this thought: You just might be asking the wrong question.
Can you use the didgeridoo as a sacred tool? Yes. Absolutely.
Of course, you could also sanctify a rock, a computer, or a piece of chewing gum, if your intent is to separate that thing from the mundane, and to make it sacred.
But personally, I wouldn’t try to pigeonhole your didge into the ceremonial structure of British Traditional Witchcraft. It is not a wand, sword, pentacle, or chalice. It is a didgeridoo, and comes from an entirely different spiritual and magickal practice. You may as well ask “What element does the piano most embody in traditional Witchcraft?” – which might be a fun discussion, but probably won’t do you much good in the long run.
If playing the instrument brings you and others closer to the heart of the Divine, then drone on, brother. But don’t get too hung up on trying to fit a round log into a square religion.
Peace
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Re: Sacred Instrument ... Is it art?
Tue, May 20, 2008 - 10:12 PMThe question of something being sacred or not calls to mind the question of whether something is art. If I find a piece of pretty (or ugly) driftwood, put it on a pedestal and call it art... is it art? I posit that it is. Art is a form of communication, of sharing an image that (hopefully) evokes a response in the viewer. It can be handmade, commercially made, or found art; all that seems necessary is for an "artist" to say, "This is art." Then the object in question is viewed through the lens of artfulness. Is this not similar to sacredness? :)
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 1:15 PMwell Jay, all I can say is Holy Shit. -
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 1:43 PMlol. It took me a few mins (and a reread of Jay's post) to get that one.
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Wed, May 21, 2008 - 5:48 PMI would agree with you as far as all things being sacred but I think all people find some things a little bit easier to find sacred than others. Most religious thought that I agree with "Yoga, Wicca, Ceremonial Magick, Thelema, etc" considers all things sacred but the practitioners of these systems would also readily agree that some things are easier to consider than others after all what you are really talking about it a state of consciousness and an awareness of the moment. However in discussing this you can quickly get into verbal quicksand.
I actually received the replies I was looking for it was more about what the didge meant to people than the using of the didge in a pigeon holed structure. When talking about the sacred you get to peak into others ideas of sacred whether that is a person who uses it as a focus for sound healing or another who uses it as meditation. Sacredness is different I purposefully left the definition out for that reason I wanted to see what people felt was sacred or not sacred on their terms as in reference to the didge.
Now then I did use references to my particular method of dealing with sacred because that is how the structure of my mind works and how I look at the sacred. My eyes see the world in color but my soul sees the divine with the eyes of BTW. This is the structure I have chosen this is the spiritual path that I have chosen for myself so this is how I reference things sacred. If on the other hand I wanted to add the didge to a Kirtan "Yoga reference" I might be using the eyes of a student of Yoga. "Of course, you could also sanctify a rock, a computer, or a piece of chewing gum, if your intent is to separate that thing from the mundane, and to make it sacred.” this is exactly what I was talking about the question really is do you separate it from the so called mundane. I separate my spiritual tools from the mundane I keep them in separate places and use them for specific purposes. Now this is how that differs from the didge does this mean that I only play for sacred songs? No, but it means that when I pick it up I feel special as if just by holding one of my didges I am more whole, more alive, more in touch with life and with myself.
"But personally, I wouldn’t try to pigeonhole your didge into the ceremonial structure of British Traditional Witchcraft. It is not a wand, sword, pentacle, or chalice. It is a didgeridoo, and comes from an entirely different spiritual and magickal practice. You may as well ask “What element does the piano most embody in traditional Witchcraft?” – Which might be a fun discussion, but probably won’t do you much good in the long run. " But for my own world view if I consider something sacred I want to know how it affects things people, plants, spirits you name it. When I find out I than use my built in correspondences to know more about it. This tells me how it fits into me how I can better use it and what uses it may be best used for. To clarify this is just for me not for anyone else. All things from BTW have been from other systems hell most religious thought today is an amalgamation of little cults that sprang up all around the world and throughout history. I do not use it as the indigenous people do nor do I ever want to, I am only concerned with how best it fits into my view and my life.
Sacred, to me, is all about intent. This is it exactly when you are playing what is your intent? And what exactly is mine? I play to practise sometimes just trying to get a rhythm straight or I will play to just make people happy. But when I play the feeling that I get can only be described as sacred in the profound sense of ecstasy that I get not always but a good chunck of the time. And when I feel this way the intent is always to share it with the music. I try to become a better player so that others can feel what I feel when I play the didge.
Thanks for the good reply it helped me clarify in my own mind what exactly I was looking for. I posted a blog on this a while back if anyone is curious.
Namste
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 9:43 AMRe: Verbal Quicksand and Semantics
Yup. :-)
But words are sacred too. Words are thought made manifest.
Certainly, you understand the concept of a "Spell".
I try to be as precise in my choice of words as my little mind is able, if only to gain clarity for my own thoughts.
It seems to me that rather than the concept of "sacred" - which we all seem to agree is fraught with relativism - What you really seem to be asking is "What sort of magickal implement is the didgeridoo?" with a view towards its uses within a Western Magickal system.
WARNING: Esoteric stuff to follow. Feel free to tune out now.
My experience is that the didgeridoo as physical metaphor combines the primal elements of Earth (wood) and Air (Breath).
My set of correspondences would then lead me to put the instrument between the Northern and Eastern quadrants - which is, interestingly, where the circle gate is located in most esoteric systems.
Earth is 'groundedness' and physical connection. Air is thought and inspiration (literally, to "breathe in")
A good use of the tool then might be as portal music, as people enter or exit the circle - with the intent of both solidifying their energetic connection with the Earth, and simultaneously raising their consciousness to its highest, most inspired place.
This works well with the alchemical motto "As Above, So Below" - and places the celebrant - symbolically - directly between the two worlds of thought and form.
If you do "energy work" with the instrument, you might want to consider using it as part of a smudging or purifying blessing as each member enters the circle.
Just a thought.
By the way, Chad...
You are incredible as Always. You delight and inspire me.
Shine on, my brilliant trickster brother! -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 11:27 AM"This works well with the alchemical motto "As Above, So Below" - and places the celebrant - symbolically - directly between the two worlds of thought and form."
As a wind instrument, I like "Breathe in, breathe out..."
Kind of the basic continuous and constant cycle of life, no? :) -
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Thu, May 22, 2008 - 8:24 PM"But don’t get too hung up on trying to fit a round log into a square religion"
HEHE I just laughed so hard i cried!
Thanks!
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Re: Sacred Instrument
Thu, May 22, 2008 - 8:50 PMGood post I will respond but I wish to contemplate first. Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Namaste
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 8:44 PMI can't find any fault with your reasoning although I can see other correspondences that would fit as well. As I was reading your post it got me thinking about what I was looking for when I posted the topic. I would have to say that I really had no real objective when I posted it. And I have been delighted by the responses I have received it has given me a lot of food for thought. To see how people view the didge in a spiritual manner has been an eye opener. And I guess that is really what I was looking for, was to see how people viewed it in a spiritual manner
I appreciated your post on your take on its uses in ritual. But as I was thinking about it I started to really get what you were talking about when you said pigeon holing the didge. I think by you giving me what you thought I wanted helped me to see what you were saying. Hopefully I can explain if you will bear with me I will use the traditional correspondence of Fire to Athame and Air to the Wand.
It could correspond to Fire in the way that it fires the blood and inflames the body. But also in the generative way as it is sometimes the seed of so much whether it is the desire to explore the instrument for someone new or a change of perspective you can see it on some faces when they hear it an almost ecstasy infects them and they have the look of stunned amazement. The instrument can plant the seed of so much and all without direct words. I could see it as a tool to draw a circle or especially to invoke or banish typical Athame uses.
Water in the way that it takes your rhythm's and gives them life Fire can be a seed but Water is where life begins these are typical creative forces invoked by Water. And in the way that it can effect the emotions. All of us have heard a didge excite us and also lull us into another state of being. To either stir the emotions into a whirlpool or to still them and allow you to the see the reflection of the divine in yourself. The Chalice is used not only to symbolize the consecrating power of Water and the Goddess but also as holy anointments and purification and I could see the didge used in this way as well. As a purification of the spirit and a way of putting someone into that receptive state that is a gift of Water.
Air in the way of not only its way of communication but also in the way that it transmits ideas. And helps to form those ideas for it takes your words and reworks them into a new form. As the sound leaves the didge it is reworked by the space that it fills. I see this as the final vetting of the sound and the formation of the final product.
Earth in its physical form but also in its sound and the feel of the sound. There is wisdom to some sounds and the sound of the didge just sounds very earthy. How it grounds the people in the now and lets them feel the moment all very Earthy things. Also in its way of purification as you noted yourself.
I could say that anyone using it in these manners could make a valid argument for its use. However what I am really talking about is music and the sacredness of making music. Music like words can be used in place of any ritual object, I have seen and been part of groups who sing the circle into being and use song to call the Lord and Lady and although this is not BTW I have found it to work just fine. The power of music I would go so far to say is an even more powerful than the spoken word. A musician casts a spell over his crowd he beguiles, bewitches, inspells, and commands his crowd when he plays the crowd feels love and when he changes his tune they start crying if this is not magic I do not know what is. The most powerful spell is a love song no other spell affects so many so profoundly. Music has changed lives and the course of the world more times than can be counted and the power of those spells that they have cast is still with us today. The power of music and its magickal component is woefully underrated in the esoteric community.
As I look at the didge to put it into my perspective I would say that the didge is sacred but that I would resist pigeon holing it into any particular category for the music it creates can travel through all realms of the elements. When I play I have come to look on it as me as the Fire the generative spark as I start the rhythm, as it travels into the didge it transforms and is given life by the didge in a Watery aspect becoming a living thing far greater than the spark that created it. I would see it as Air as it leaves the didge as it transmits the message and in it’s forming of the rhythm in the open air the final cutting away of the debris. As Earth as it hits the people with the sound of life and grounds them in the spell.
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Fri, May 23, 2008 - 9:49 PMSure.
Why not.
As a pro musician myself, I appreciate your appreciation of the art and magic of music.
As a perpetual student of the esoteric arts, I appreciate and encourage your magickal and spiritual explorations.
Peace
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 3:04 PMThanks man your posts really got me thinking and really were the catalyst for some real progressive thoughts on how I personally relate to the didge.
Namaste
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