Too scared to shit myself

topic posted Sat, March 29, 2008 - 4:47 PM by  Keeth
I posted a question a couple months ago on suggestions on what to use to seal the Yucca didj's I've been experimenting with (think Agave, but even softer and more porous).

Unfortunately, (as good intentioned as he may be) people like JOL have scared me shitless about using any type of epoxy, but I'm too scared to sit on the toilet seat now, because it might have an epoxy coating. And speaking of him, he's responded to my quest talking about his technique, but as much as I've asked (several times), he still hasn't offered to sell any product or offer any actionable techniques that I can do to seal my Yucca in a non-toxic way, so I don't quite understand what he's offering. Am I missing something here in a post in a galaxy far, far, away? Or does he only sell the non-toxic product on didj's he's crafted? That's fine if so, just let me know, because I'm tired of waiting for nothing.

And it's not like I expect a consensus on what I could use, but with reading everything I have in the past months, I am no where closer to buying any product and finishing the several sad and lonely didj's I have in my storage unit. But, I have read a lot of good quality bickering and pissing contests on whose epoxy is bigger than the others.

At this point, I'll just close my eyes, scroll down one of these posts, and wherever my cursor lands, that's the product I'll try. I do thank everyone for their input and suggestions. It was worth a try. Seriously though, the majority of didjeridudes and gals refer to Chad and his product/technique, so I'll probably start with that as a first step, then try others for comparison. That's really what it comes down to, trial and error.

If anybody has any grand ideas, I'll be in my bedroom hiding under my blanket, wearing a respirator.

-crowhawk
posted by:
Keeth
California
  • Re: Too scared to shit myself

    Sat, March 29, 2008 - 10:50 PM
    So as you can see from past posts there is a long running battle between the two factions those that use epoxy” usually the envirotex” and those that either use oils “not good for soft stuff it seems” and those that use some unidentified process that I have yet to understand. Personally if I was crafter “thank the Lord and Lady I do not possess that ambition” I would bite the bullet and use the envirotex. I mean come on you are far more likely to die using deodorant, toothpaste, smoking, drinking or even driving a car than you are of the off gassing of the epoxy. Not to mention the effects of even using a computer or cell phone which are known to be very harmful to the environment neither of which can be really recycled all that happens to them is they are shipped to a third world country and the plastic taken off while the really toxic stuff is burnt or thrown in landfills. I mean if you look around you there are far more pressing eco causes than the off gassing of epoxy. And yes I do understand that you have to start somewhere but if I was going to stop putting toxins in my body I would start with one of the big ones like the ones cited.

    Just my two cents worth and probably not worth even that given today’s economy.
    namaste
    • Re: Too scared to shit myself

      Sun, March 30, 2008 - 3:02 PM
      Howdy Keeth.

      If you are interested, here is a walkthrough of how I coat some of my sticks.

      www.didgeridootribe.net/clan/index.php

      Since this description uses commonly used substances and processes, it is best to not talk about it here in alternative land.

      There really is not a lot of debate on finishing amongst woodworkers. The properties of finishes are well understood. 'Natural' finishes work well for many uses. Their only drawbacks are also their strengths. For example they wear much easier. They will not look 'new' for as long. The upside to this is that they are easily recoated. They wear easier because they are not as hard and are also thinner. The upside here is that the wood is right in your hands. It feels good and looks good. The downside is that they are not as protected from water, moisture, or impact. Oil and wax finishes are universally understood to provide very little protection. Important to note that protection is not always a primary concern!

      The most commonly used natural finishes are 'hardening' oils and waxes. The hardening oils do not exactly 'dry' they polymerize. This process takes in the neighborhood of a month. Thinning these oils with a natural thinner, such as Citrus oil, will simply apply less oil. Basically the oil will be suspended in the Citrus thinner. When wiped on the Citrus oil evaporates quickly, leaving far less Hardening oil to be wiped off. It does not help it 'penetrate', nor will it cause it to polymerize sooner. This is the same usage/property of Mineral Spirits.

      Most oil finishes are applied in numerous layers. Ancient Tung oil finished wood has been found in China with hundreds of coats on it. I have found with pure Tung oil on dense, tight pored woods, a minimum of 5 coats is necessary to have much(if any) protection. This is where you will start to see a gloss to the sheen as well.

      Open grained/pored woods will be harder to oil. More oil will pool in the grains and take much longer to cure. Traditionally this wood would have a sanding sealer applied to fill the pores before oiling.

      Many oil finishes will have a wax applied as well. This, like the oil does not hold up as well as a Varnish, Shellac, Lacquer, or Resin, etc.

      There are also natural Resin and Shellac finishes. This will almost universally be applied using Mineral Spirits or another thinner. These evaporate and are considered by everyone outside the loony bin to be inert when cured. You would not want to take a swig of all natural Citrus oil so there is also that. Also, last I checked Mineral oil and its distillates are 100 percent natural. Then again so is Uranium..

      Basically, so long as you are aware that Oil based finishes are considered to be the weakest, least protective and shortest lived finishes, you are golden. Please be aware that they are also frequently described as beautiful! Woodworkers generally use an oil based finish for something that will be lightly handled, or constantly maintained. A little desktop knick-knack? Great for oil. A cutting board, where the finish needs to be thin as well as easily re-applied? Great for oil (usually mineral oil and melted wax). A Clarinet where the wood needs to breathe and have a thin finish? Great for oil(reapplied very regularly). It is also usually made from Ebony, an incredibly dense hardwood, not a porous reed.

      Anyway, Yucca needs something reflective, non-porous and relatively strong inside it. All natural and you are stuck with a Carnauba or Beeswax finish for the interior. No oil will be hard enough, or thick enough. If you removed every bit of softness in the Yucca cane and heavily coated it with Wax, you might get a tolerable sound. Sounds swell huh? With wood you could get a great sound with only a hardening oil. Assuming a good bore profile and a hard enough wood.

      So for a Yucca/Agave, something thicker and harder needs to be applied for sound and strength. That is going to be a urethane, which is arguably way too thin. A wax, which will be muted, muffled and not too strong. A glue which will be thin and not too strong. A glue mixed with something to be thicker, denser, or more strong. Be aware that adding powders to glue will not make it stronger. It will make it denser and possibly more acoustically reflective. But not stronger. Arguably it could be weaker. As an example I offer up Plywood/OSB and MDF. Plywood is the strongest. Big sheets of wood glued to other sheets. Much stronger than the same thickness of solid wood. OSB, lots of chips and flakes glued together under pressure, much stronger than solid wood of the same thickness. MDF, powdered cellulose in a glue matrix under pressure. Less strong than wood or glue of the same thickness. It is easy to break, crumble and is more permeable to gasses and liquids. This is also why Carbon fibre is layed up in flakes/chips or sheets, instead of a powder.

      Anyway, here are you options for the interior of Agave/Yucca.

      Epoxy - thick and reflective. Adds strength and is acoustically reflective. Few coats needed. Inert when cured. If you know the difference between exposure, and OVERexposure, you should be fine.

      Beeswax - easy to apply, smells good and is natural. Thick coat. Minimal to no extra strength. Not much more reflective than the original Cane. Probably wont sound good relative to other instruments. May break easily. Blending Paraffin will improve sound a bit, but not much and will no longer be 'natural'. Whatever the hell that means! Carnauba is a natural hard wax, it is what I use. When I rarely use wax, that is.

      Glue - easy to apply and will be acoustically reflective if lots of layers are used. Like 5 or so, especially if it is watered down. Adding powdered whatever will thicken it and should alter the tone depending on thickness/density. I don't think you will be adding a ton of strength, but honestly Epoxy does not add a ton of strength either. Yucca and Agave are not wood. They are very straight grained and are in the neighborhood of Balsa as far as strength. They split very easily and if dropped hard enough or stepped on, they can break no matter what is on them. More flexible glues and Epoxies will help, very hard Lacquers or Enamels would not be a good choice.

      Polyurethane/Acrylics/etc. - these finishes are all going to be quite thin and not very strong. Some of these require good airflow to evaporate the carriers. The inside of a Didj does not have good airflow. These are poor choices in my opinion, but they are easy to apply. I would use a mineral spirits born poly, if I had to use these finishes inside a Cane. i would also pull air through for a few days with a fan.

      I suppose you could melt some metal and pour it inside, barring that those options are about it.

      If it were me I would use an Epoxy. USComposites, Envirotex, or West Systems. The long cure and 1:1 ratios are easier to work with and less smelly when curing. Buy an appropriate respirator, work with good ventilation, wear some eye protection and some gloves. Don't take a bath in it and don't drink too much of it and you will be fine.

      Next choice for me would be glue. i would use Titebond 3 and personally would mix in shavings from my planer and jointer. I would use extensions and sand inside between coats. Basically making a layer of OSB inside the didj. I would do a minimum of three coats. You could mix water in to thin the substance if needed. There are countless ways you could do this, if you try it, let us know what you do!

      For the outside, natural to me would mean a hardening oil. These are generally Tung oil or Boiled Linseed oil. Most other oils will go rancid. Mineral oil is non-hardening and could also be used. Tung oil is considered to be the most protective of the hardening oils. Important to note that it is also considered to be one of the least protective finishes. These are not my opinions, there are countless scientific and anecdotal studies that prove this. There is virtually no debate about any of this either, again amongst woodworkers/cabinetmakers/furnituremakers and the like.

      The blend I use is 30 percent Citrus oil 50 percent Tung oil and 20 percent Boiled Linseed oil (BLO). I then use a high quality furniture wax. Almost all commercially available waxes will have a thinning carrier(mineral spirits). This evaporates and is near universally used. I have had luck thinning my own Carnauba wax with Citrus oil and low heat. You could also skip the oils and just use wax. Or blend beeswax into a matrix of oils.

      When applying oil finishes, I heavily wipe the oil in, and let it stand for 30 minutes or so. I then vigorously rub the wood to remove all excess oil. Then I wait a few weeks before applying the next coat. I always gently sand with 0000 grit plastic wool between coats. The more coats the better. Once it starts to build you can reapply every 4-10 days depending on your environment and how heavy a coat you apply.

      When you like the finish you can wax it or not.

      Anyway, there is one 'natural' way of coating wood. I would only use this technique on very stable and sound, 10 percent or lower moisture content WOOD. I might use it on the outside of an Agvae or Yucca cane, but probably not. I would never use it on the inside. Anyway hope that helps?

      The link I gave at the top covers my process for applying an Epoxy or poly finish. Click on it at your own risk!!! Ye have been warned..

      Flame suit on.
      • Re: Too scared to shit myself

        Sun, March 30, 2008 - 7:14 PM
        This is exactly why I joined this forum and what I wish I could see more of a detailed post on the in's and out's of making. Now then as I have stated I have no interest in making a didj but I do like to hear a well thought out post and to better understand what goes into making one "helps in the buying process". I would like to thank Jeff for sharing his knowledge and being brave enough to whether the flame that in undoubtedly building as we speak. For what it is worth you have my support.

        Namaste
  • Re: Too scared to shit myself

    Wed, April 2, 2008 - 4:51 AM
    If there is some product battle, I aint a part of it. People naturally defend thier way of doing things especially when it comes to earning their bread & butter. Whatever............. I post what I find out about products people use in didjeridoo crafting and possible negative health effects via factual information because people have a right to know what they are exposing themselves to.

    To clarify further my steadfast standpoint, I'll simply say that I don't give a damn what other people do- none of my buisness. Digg? But I do give a damn when people are given opinions about hazardous products that don't match up with scientific research data. My information is meant to inform, it is not intended to cause fear. That is a personal choice to react in that way.

    As for the how to, I'll start with the first and only instruction I recieved on building didjeridoos and add on when I find it convenient to do so.

    Split em' in half, carve em' out, and glue em' back together. Seriously, that's what I had to go on for years. I will give more detailed info. with future posts, but I type hiddeously slow and enjoy using long words from time to time so expect it to take as long as it takes. If that aint quick enough and folks use epoxy instead, I say thats fabulous and best of luck!
    Aloha


    • Re: Too scared to shit myself

      Wed, April 2, 2008 - 8:13 AM
      hey JOL, you've already given us plenty of criticism, now give us constructive criticism. Like I tell my teenage son who is so hungry for political activism, pointing out problems without offering soloutions is just more trouble making. What we've asked you a few times is to tell us what recepie gives you the hardness to your finishes that you claim. If you keep this secret because you developed it and you want to protect your process you should realize that we are not threats to your didgeridoo empire. Probably only pvc crafters have been more prolific than you, and they're not your competition either.
      Your first lesson here to didgecrafters seems a bit strange. Can anyone think of a crafter known for high quality agave that splits their canes? I'm not an agave crafter, but if you want info on others processes you can simply ask here and the generosity of the tribal spirit shall overfill your cup.
      • Re: Too scared to shit myself

        Mon, April 7, 2008 - 3:32 AM
        Woah chad, diddn't mean to make you feel criticised bro. I suppose aknowledging that what other people do is none of my business while providing factual data did require critical thinking to some extent. As Iv'e stated before I have no trade secrets and am willing to share what I have learned over the past 13 years creationg didjeridoos. Check out the sealant topic for sealant info. Didjeridoo empire? Lame.......
      • Re: Too scared to shit myself

        Mon, April 7, 2008 - 4:10 AM
        A woodglued bond under pressure is stronger than the material being bonded. seventh grade woodshop wisdom. I have intentionaly posted some of my didj. pics. with the seam showing and nobody noticed (the largest seem I've noticed was barely a hairline). The pics. were taken with a high res. digital by a pro photographer. In all the time Iv'e been building didjs. not one has ever cracked at the seam or sepparated in any way. Carving them out instead of reaming them out whole allows me to follow the natural spiral of the plant and maintain uniform thickness throughout. I can also spot insect dammage from th inside which would have had epoxy dumped on it and no way to tell if it fixed the problem. My perception of ideal sound quality is what drives my didj. designs past what they were before. The drilled out straight tube sound never really did it for me.

        To bring greater understanding to folks all caught up with conceps like empirical threats and competition, I have no competition. Don't believe in that western concept stuff.

        I do have a buisy schedule that inhibits me from living on tribe all the time, so I may be slow to respond to inquiries and messages. just the way it is... JOL
        • Re: Too scared to shit myself

          Mon, April 7, 2008 - 10:18 AM
          I didn't mean to confuse you with the 'didge empire' quote (I borrowed it from a claim you laid against Jeff, I thought it was pretty funny). And I didn't mean to suggest that anything was wrong with seams, I think of 'em like belly buttons which is like a birth tale, and I make 'em myself. What I did intend was to ask you to tell us what to use instead of what not to use. I guess I just used too many words, so to keep it simple-
          what's your exterior finish?
  • Re: Too scared to shit myself

    Wed, April 2, 2008 - 3:45 PM
    thank you people,

    thank you!

    seriously,
    thank you.
    • Re: Too scared to shit myself

      Mon, April 7, 2008 - 4:29 PM
      I've been using envirotex only recently, prior to that i used the TAP plastic resin that apparently makes people crap their pants. Unless you plan on making a large number of didges and storing them in the same room that you sleep in, try the both out. We've got plastic everywhere, if its all gonna kill you at least one product made with it will entertain you for years....
      I've tried a few yucca sticks using beeswax, candle wax , sawdust, quartz and linseed oil. It got funky, muddy and certainly wasn't very durable. threw in a little tea tree oil and lavender to mask it up but the funk still prevailed after a while. They more unforgiving to heat which given enough exposure make any fatty oil go rancid, you may not smell it over the tea tree for a while but it will happen. I've seen pix of JOL's stix and i'm pretty intrigued by their appearance and i hope he brings one to the fest in August, i'd really like to see how durable his mixture is as well as the sound.
      for myself, i've found epoxy to provide the best of both worlds and i'm able to take my didge to the beach and still use it as a walking stick, while playing to the ocean or climbing up a trail without worrying that my didge is going to splinter if i bang it against something, hell i've rolled down hills with one strapped to myself without a crack.
      BTW, titebond is great for putting a split cane together but it doesn't mean the whole thing is stronger than before, it will just split on either side of the seam inside of at the seam.
      • Re: Too scared to shit myself

        Mon, April 7, 2008 - 10:57 PM
        Hello everyone,

        I've been reading a lot lately about didge crafting and have been curious about it for awhile. Well, I've finally taken the plunge and have gotten three yucca stalks to work with. Yucca seemed like a fairly good thing to start with since it's a soft material. This also seems to make it a challenge when it comes to final finishing. It makes sense that epoxy would be the best choice for yucca to add strength as Jeff suggested a few posts ago. I did purchase some Envirotex Lite a couple of weeks ago and am willing to give it a go when I reach that stage. I believe most anything handled carefully and safely can be used without much harm.

        In reading so much lately, I think it's awesome that there is so much knowledge and experience being shared on this and other forums from didgemakers who have been at this craft for a long time. I am grateful for this sharing. I've learned a lot so far and look forward to learning more.

        Thanks Much and Peace,
        Pam
        • Re: Too scared to shit myself

          Thu, April 10, 2008 - 12:38 PM
          Hey pam i found a really simple way of splitting yucca with less fuss and less of a line showing. I use a scoring blade for cutting plastic and follow the grain line of the yucca, scoring along it with the knife all the way down on either side. i make a few passes gradually digging deeper to about a quarter inch or more, you don't have to cut all the way through. then take a sharp knife on the mouthpiece end and join the scores together (slicing the yucca in half) you only need a cut through a few inches, pull out the sharp knife and find something flat and thin enough to fit in the cut, like an old butter knife and wedge that in the cut. after that you just gradually twist it and listen to the yucca split down the scoring lines you made. it won't split all the way with one twist so you have to twist, slide the blade down a little further, twist, slide the blade down, twist... and eventually you'll end up at the bell. the trick is the dull knife, if you use a sharp one to wedge, it may not follow your score guides or worse cut little grooves as you twist. hollow and glue back, theres minimal kerf this way and if you don't go glue crazy, a good sanding will blend the seam in.
          • Re: Too scared to shit myself

            Fri, April 11, 2008 - 7:56 PM
            Thanks, didjmunky,

            I was going to keep from splitting them but since the closest thing I have to a power tool is a toaster oven, perhaps starting out splitting them will be easiest. I do have a utility knife I could use and that seems like it would work. I'll give your ideas a whirl and see how things turn out.

            Thanks again.

            Cheers,
            Pam
            • Re: Too scared to shit myself

              Thu, April 17, 2008 - 11:41 PM
              I have only made a few didges, mosty I make native flutes, I like to use shellac... it is usually carried in mineral spirits, but some brands use other chemicals... It is a natural non-toxic preservative that, when layered (3-5 coats) becomes quite sound reflective... I like the smell of it, once the mineral spirits have evaporated, and it adds a nice gold tone to the material... it is easy to clean up and fairly inexpensive... just my 2 cents...

              blessings on your creations
              may your creations bless the world

              love light laughter and song
              Myrth
              • Re: Too scared to shit myself

                Fri, April 18, 2008 - 2:39 PM
                I'm not positive.. but I don't believe shellac is waterproof. I did some quick searching, and some places seem to say that it is, and others that it isn't. This is an issue for didgeridoos because of the large amount of saliva that runs down the bore as you play.

                Even if it is waterproof, there may still be issues with the digestive enzymes in saliva breaking down the shellac, although that is purely conjecture on my part.
                • Re: Too scared to shit myself

                  Sun, April 20, 2008 - 8:53 AM
                  Shellac is not 100% completely waterproof... nothing natural is... If you want something that you can treat just once, and will be protected for ever... then go with marine spar varnish... it is a nasty chemical... toxic fumes... but it lasts... personally... I think the quest for an eternal preservative is kinda silly... If these are sacred tools, then we should take the time to maintain them...

                  On the other hand, If you want to have a mass production didge factory, to cut costs, and maximize profit... then use the poisons, and hire someone who doesn't understand the risks to do the dirty work... big business style... after all... it is the american way...

                  sorry.. I don't mean to be so ascerbic... I was just reading an article on the tar sands of canada...

                  we are moving into a time where the better way, the natural sustainable way, will be the only way... the other way is death... It is up to us to decide...

                  love light laughter and song
                  Myrth
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                    Re: Too scared to shit myself

                    Sun, April 20, 2008 - 12:39 PM
                    I have used shellac before and do not think it is appropriate for the inside of a didj. Saliva breaks it down far too quickly. I find that it works very well on the exterior, however.

                    Fortunately, the alternative does not have to be marine Spar Varnish! That is not a substance that anyone I know would ever recommend. I guess it helped make your point that natural is better, but since it is not commonly used it is a poor comparison. I believe you have created what is called a 'straw man' argument.

                    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
                    • Re: Too scared to shit myself

                      Mon, April 21, 2008 - 12:12 PM
                      true... i hope no one was offended by my remarks... its my stuff.. not yours... i know you are all looking for the best and safest way to make a quality instrument last a long time... admirable creators... i was charged and unfortunately the spark jumped here... i have the deepest respect for instrument creators... and didge is an amazing healing tool... I don't meant to demean... many blessings on you and all your good works... may the objects your create, last for as long as there are people to play them!

                      love light laughter and song
                      myrth
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                    Re: Too scared to shit myself

                    Mon, April 21, 2008 - 2:23 PM
                    There's plenty of natural substances that are waterproof. Beeswax is quite waterproof, and lasts practically forever, at least from a chemical standpoint. It doesn't oxide or breakdown (although it can certainly get quite dirty after a while when used on a mouthpiece). I believe tung oil is waterproof once it has dried as well.

                    How "stiff" is shellac? I know that yuccas need something stiff to help reinforce them. I wonder how an initial coat of shellac, followed by a coat of tung oil would do. Unfortunately, tung oil takes forever to dry. heh. I'm not sure how well the tung oil would coat the shellac either. Might be worth a try though. *shrug*. Too bad I don't have a source of yuccas to experiment on :)
                    • Re: Too scared to shit myself

                      Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:50 PM
                      I wouldn't suggest using shellac only for euc or agave didjeridus. It produces a really nice finish but is sensitive. If it gets wet it has a tendency to get cloudy which doesn't help keep the didj protected or looking good. You would have a really hard time building a thick coat for an agave and for a euc I prefer oil based finishes. you can use a shellac in between oil based coats to help with long term protection. The shellac "seals" the pores of the timber, more than an oil, but by putting an oil finish over the shellac you get the water protection and durability.
                      For the past 8 years I have been using a great oil finish that is totally benign (never off gases) in all stages (wet-dry). It would give an agave an nice exterior finish and is great for euc's. If any one is interested in this let me know and I can get you some contact info.
                      Be well
                      Donald
                      Sacred Hollow
                      • Re: Too scared to shit myself

                        Thu, April 24, 2008 - 11:21 PM
                        hey Donald, I hear from Chi that you're in love with a wonderful girl! Right on!
                        I've been using oils recently for finish on some of my sticks and I love what it's doing for the harmonic range. I'm using pure oils of tung, linseed, and citrus. I'd love to pick your brain about oils. I'm using this curent mix because it's similar to what Frank Thill was using and I want to start off with a decent 'control' and experiment from there. If I could ask for improvements over my current mix I'd ask for harder and glossier. Possibly adding wax would make it glossier and would also provide better scratch resistance but some folks have or develop allergies to beeswax and I want to avoid causing trouble for them. I'm also wondering for small fills if sawdust/woodglue paste will adhere after the didge has been oiled or if only wetsanding will work for tiny fills. Do you sell your oil mix in quantities large enough for production or just maintainance? It's coming up on busy season for you, but let me know if you've got time to hang out and I'll make the trip down to visit ya.
                        • Re: Too scared to shit myself

                          Fri, April 25, 2008 - 11:04 AM
                          A quick tidbit about beeswax allergies.. I developed an allergy myself after last year's JT - I guess my lips just had too much exposure to it, and my body said "Enough!".

                          In any case, I've done a (very) little bit of reading about beeswax allergies, and the general consensus seems to be that the allergy is actually to the residual pollen in the beeswax. So I've bought some of a couple of different types of "white" beeswax to see if they had the same effect. The white beeswax is supposedly pollen free. I bought some "natural" (unrefined) white and refined white beeswax. I've used the natural white beeswax a little bit, and I don't seem to have any reaction to it, although I haven't used it enough to know for sure. I suspect the same will be true of the refined white beeswax.

                          Obviously, just because I don't react to it doesn't mean that it's totally hypo-allergenic.. but it's probably less so at least.

                          The only difference between it and "normal" beeswax, as far as I can tell, is the lack of color and smell (for the most part). Which is too bad, because I loved the smell of natural yellow beeswax. Other than that, it feels and acts just like the yellow beeswax that I used to used.
  • Re: Too scared to shit myself

    Sat, April 26, 2008 - 2:55 AM
    The subject title here just reminded me of an old pottie song with a minor adaptation to the original verse. Here's a snipit: When your slidin' into home and your pants are full of foam, didjerhea cha-cha-cha didjerhea cha-cha-cha! Well anyhoo, I thought it was dang funny.
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      Re: Too scared to shit myself

      Mon, April 28, 2008 - 9:25 PM
      well in response to the curius didge maker, i find that mixing waterproof wood glue (i use a nontoxic elmer glue no its not vegan but at least its not dinosaur)and a rigid substance. ive had great luck with powdered clay, the dust that I recover from sanding, and charcoal. the best way to apply it is with a rag on a stick if it starts to set up too quickly add more glue and for god sakes mix it well. you can swab it through the didge with a rag on a stick, just pretend your a monkey harvesting termites thats what I do, i find it makes the work go faster. a single coat spread eavenly throughout the inside of your yucca or agave will completely seal it. allow it to dry for at least three days before sanding. I find that sometimes the tiniest cracks can still make there way through. if you desire another coat go for it you can also get any cracks from the outside with multiple layers of your mixtur w/ water to thin it. wipe it withe a rag and gently sand it. warning with powdered clay do not add water because it seens to activate it and make it clumpy and brittleinstead just use more glue. too be honest with you ive never had a didge that i built this way fail the outside may be more subceptible to scratches and what have you but the natural beauty of an instrument that has been crafted with the utmost care makes it worth doing right. i find that poly urethanes and such often times leave a milky gloss that conciels the woods natural finish. not to mention the enviromental impact of the refinement of such things. also polyurethane can crack and chip, yellowing and spiderweb cracking will happen eventually even with non-yellowing finishes .the proper penetrating oils suh as pinion pine oil will penetrate and preserve wood grain as well as add deapth to the natural wood patern . any more questions or if I left something out just say so.

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